11: Taking Care of your Mind, Body, and Relationships with Hala Taha
11: Taking Care of your Mind, Body, and Relationships with Hala Taha
Hala Taha, host of Young and Profiting podcast and Founder and CEO of YAP Media, joins Morgan this week to discuss why taking care of your body affects everything else you do, how affirmations and positive energy need to come from within first and foremost, and how consistently nurturing your professional relationships should not be overlooked. Tune in and 1UP!
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Hala TahaHost of Young and Profiting, CEO of YAP Media
Morgan J. Ingram: Welcome everybody to the 1UP Formula Podcast. It's your host Morgan J. Ingram here and you all, we have a fantastic guest. So if you're listening in, you should listen all the way through because the knowledge that's about to be dropped here is going to be crazy. Real quick, I want to show some love to one of our sponsors, Lessonly. And I love their motto, by the way, do better work, which is what our podcast is focused on here. And what they do over there, Lessonly, is they have a readiness and training software for high growth sales teams. So go check them out on their website, lessonly. com. And much love to you guys. So who do we have? We have Hala Taha. And let's break down what she's doing over here. So she's the host of a podcast called Young and Profiting, top 50 podcast, over millions of downloads. So if you haven't tuned in, now is the time. She also recently just went off on her own with Young and Profiting. So major shout out to her on that. She'll probably talk a little bit about that before we get into the meat of this interview. And then also as well, she used to work at Hot 97 on the Angie Martinez show. So we're going to dive down a little bit to some of that because that's super intriguing. And she also started a blog site, the Sorority of Hip Hop. So I feel like we got to talk about that too, because that's also insane. And also nearly snagged a couple reality shows too. So you all, this is an incredible guest we have here. And as you all know, we dive into what are they doing outside of their work and career to be successful? So we're really diving into the habits, but Hala, we are super excited to have you here. Anything else that you want to add before we go into the show?
Hala Taha: That was such a lovely introduction. So no additions needed. Hi, Morgan. I'm happy to be on the show.
Morgan J. Ingram: Yeah. Absolutely. So I had a question for you because you were on Hot 97.
Hala Taha: Yeah.
Morgan J. Ingram: Who is your favorite rap artists and why?
Hala Taha: Well, I think now my favorite artist is French Montana. My boyfriend's actually Harry Fraud. He's a very big hip hop producer and that's my longtime boyfriend of over 10 years and that's his main artist. So I'm always hearing French Montana songs all throughout the house. So that's definitely my favorite artist by default.
Morgan J. Ingram: Do you have a favorite song by French Montana or it is what it is?
Hala Taha: I like A Lie. It's with The Weekend and French Montana.
Morgan J. Ingram: Okay. Nice. Nice. Good stuff. Yeah, I was curious. I was like, " She's got to have her artists in mind." So with that being said, let's dive into what this interview is about. So first and foremost, the first three things, what are the three things that you're doing outside of your career and life that helps you be successful in all the things you're doing so far?
Hala Taha: The three things that I do outside of my career that helps me be successful. Number one is I work out. So I have an extremely busy schedule. I just left my corporate job, but previous to that, I was working full time, I had a top podcast, and I had a marketing and podcast agency, which is what I'm doing full time now, YAP Media. And so my life was extremely hectic. I also have a relationship, I also have a tight knit family and I had to spend time with everyone. But even though I was very stretched then, I always try to find time to work out because I believe that working out makes me stronger, makes me smarter, it actually makes me think better. And I'm more productive when I build that time into workout and I feel better about myself as well, and I feel less sluggish. So working out is key. I know this is an advice that people hear time and time again, people may be sick of hearing it, but you got to work out, you got to get outside, you got to get that sunshine, and you got to put in the time. There's a lot of people out there that do work out and there's a lot of people who just don't and they never get it. But the reason why you're feeling sluggish, the reason why you're feeling depressed or unmotivated is probably because you don't move your body. So I would say number one, move your body, right?
Morgan J. Ingram: Especially now in a virtual environment, people are just sitting here on Zoom not moving, not do anything.
Hala Taha: I would even recommend to take a mock commute. So a lot of the times when people worked full time jobs, we used to take a commute, right? So I used to live in Brooklyn, I used to travel to New York City and take the train 45 minutes. And just about 45 minutes of walking to the subway, hopping on the train, trying to catch the next train, walking to work, that's some exercise. And that's getting outside, and that's getting sunlight, and that's kind of triggering you to start your productive day. We don't have that anymore. You wake up, you roll out of bed, you hop on the computer most of us unless you work like a service job or whatever. But we don't have that commute. So I recommend taking a mock commute, go walk around the block first thing in the morning with nothing else about your thoughts and just take a walk around the block and pretend that you're doing a commute to A, get a little bit of exercise, B, get some sunshine, get that endorphin rush from the sun. And try that out to trigger your day to trigger your workday. So I would say that is number one. Number two is I really try to have meaningful relationships. Especially in COVID, we're losing that sense of connection. And so having connection is more important than ever. And without a social life, it's very hard to stay connected and to get that oxytocin, is what it's called, and that's essentially the love drug. And it makes us feel connected. It's the source of all communication and collaboration. It's called oxytocin. It's a hormone or something in our bodies. So we need that. And we have a lack of that in COVID. And I would say Clubhouse is how I've been cutting my fix on that.
Morgan J. Ingram: Shout out to Clubhouse.
Hala Taha: Yeah. Clubhouse has saved my life in COVID. I was feeling so isolated. I'm such a social extroverted person and so it's been really hard for me. I love being around friends, I love being at parties and events and getting to know people. I'm that type of a person. So Clubhouse has given me that sense of community again, it makes me feel like I did attend a social event and I really get a rush of oxytocin. So I would say making sure you go out of your way to have meaningful connections and relationships. And I would try Clubhouse in this environment since it's COVID. The third thing I would say is a positive mindset. I'm all about affirmations, I'm all about the law of attraction, I literally have manifested so many things in my life already, and every time I'm in a positive mindset, and I'm really strict about not letting negative thoughts into my head, that's when I achieve massive success. And so it's positive affirmations, and also believing that life is limitless, believing that anything is possible. And if you know exactly where you want to go, write all of those things down, write them in a journal, say them every single day, record it in your phone and play it while you're driving. Like all these positive affirmations about who you are and what you hope to be, and truly believe that it's possible. And if you do those things, you will take sub- conscious actions to work towards your dreams. So those would be my three things.
Morgan J. Ingram: There's so much greatness in a lot of things you said. I'm a huge believer in affirmations and writing them down. For most people, if you think that's pixel dust, or you think it's not real, it is. Because Harvard study, you'll achieved 32% more of your goal success rate if you write it down. That's facts, go check it out. That's a real study. So if you're just thinking it will happen and you're not writing it down, you're missing an opportunity for more success. But I want to go to the first point because we went out a lot of different ways and I want to go back to the working out. Extremely busy schedule, packed probably 12 to 18 hour days, so how are you fitting this in your schedule and how do you make it a priority? Is in the morning, is it afternoon? How long is it? What's going on?
Hala Taha: So I try to work out every day for 45 minutes. And I typically work out right after work. And again, I'm that type of person who I like to have pivoting points throughout the day to mark when certain times of my day are over. So my commute in the morning marks my start of the work day. After I'm done with my commute, it's time to work, right? Then right after work-
Morgan J. Ingram: Do you color code these on your calendar to know when the pivot's happening or you just know?
Hala Taha: I do block it out on my calendar but I don't color code them.
Morgan J. Ingram: Got it. Okay.
Hala Taha: My commute, just walk around. I'm in the suburbs of New Jersey staying with my mom this month. So walking around the cul- de- sac getting a little bit of sunshine, drinking my coffee, sometimes walking my dogs. You could do if you have dogs, you could just walk them and there you go and knock two things out at the same time. And then I start my workday. For working out, I typically work out around 6: 30 to kind of mark the end of my formal workday. Now, half my team is in the Philippines so I end up popping on calls around 9:00, 10: 00 p. m. But 6: 00 p.m. is actually a great time to work out. I interviewed this guy, his name is Daniel Pink, and there's certain times of the day that are really conducive to certain activities. So first thing in the morning, you're very alert, you're very analytical. You want to get done the most difficult things of the day. Around 2: 00 p.m. to 3: 00 p. m. after lunch, that's like a slump period, right? He calls it the trust period. And basically, that's when you should be checking email or doing really mundane things because you have no energy at that time. And so you should do the thing that requires the least amount of brain cells. And then around 4:00 p.m. or 5: 00 p.m., you get really creative. So you should be doing as many creative things as possible. And then after that, you have like a physical boost of energy. And that's why I work out around like 6: 00 p.m., 7:00 p. m. And then I feel energetic for the rest of the night. Like I said, I have a super busy schedule so I have to work at night. So it gives me that extra boost to kind of push through. I have some dinner, and then I typically have to hop on more calls around 9: 00 p. m., 10:00 p.m. to talk to my team overseas. So that's my typical day.
Morgan J. Ingram: So that is really interesting on that breakdown. So that six o'clock period, is that just due to how our bodies work? Is that just due to...? How does that work? Dive a little bit more into that because I'm intrigued. Never heard that before?
Hala Taha: I don't remember exactly. I just know that... I'm not sure exactly what it is. I just think that we have the motivation to workout at that time. Like I said, around 4:00 or 5: 00, you get really creative and then you get a burst of energy right after that. So I'm not sure exactly why. And it definitely varies. Some people are morning people and some people are night people. And so if you're a night owl, your schedule is not going to be the same as me because I wake up early every day, right? So this is my schedule as an early bird. If you're a night owl, you might have a very different schedule. A lot of night owls, when they wake up, it's actually the least productive part of their day, and that they should do their mundane stuff first thing in the morning if you're a night owl. And so they have a bit of a different schedule. But if you guys are interested in this, I would highly recommend to check out Daniel Pink, the science of perfect timing. I actually had him on my podcast. I think it was around Episode 50. I don't remember the exact episode but check it out on Young and Profiting. It's such a good episode.
Morgan J. Ingram: Yeah. Absolutely. Go check that out there. It sounds like there's a ton of nuggets in there and I'm going to go check it out myself. And I have a follow- up for you because when you talked about working out, you said, " Hey, it makes you stronger and think better." Think better is interesting but I want to bring that back. So were you always a person that worked out or whether there's a certain event that happened that made you start working out this religiously as part of your schedule?
Hala Taha: Yeah. I've been working out since I was probably 17 consistently. So I started decently young. When I was growing up, I used to be really into soccer and I was like a travel soccer, all that stuff. When I got into high school, I stopped playing sports. I got into music and being in plays and singing and stuff like that. And I also didn't get on the cheering squad when I tried out. So I got discouraged and I didn't do sports anymore and I gained a lot of weight. I was actually my heaviest in high school than I ever was in my whole life, which is funny. I'm lighter than I was in high school now. I wasn't fat, but I was 118 pounds and I'm 5'1". So that's heavy for somebody who is 5'1". But I wasn't huge. But yeah, when I was 17, I started working out, going to the gym, and then I just tried to keep that habit. And again, it's all about your lifestyle. It's not a chore for me to work out. I've trained myself to now I feel like crap if I don't work out and that I'm doing a disservice. With COVID, I did... 2020 was probably the worst year of my workouts-
Morgan J. Ingram: Probably for everyone. So what are going to do?
Hala Taha: I think like three months, I didn't do anything at least. And I just kind of gave up. Like I said, I'm extroverted, I'm social, and I love to do group workouts. And I used to host parties and stuff when I was younger. So being in a group workout with some cool music and doing kickboxing and I like to do choreographed moves. That makes me feel like I'm back cheerleading in college or I'm back in the club and that's really fun for me. I didn't have that anymore. And COVID prevented me from having that. So I really have to get in the groove. And then now, I found a couple online classes that I really like and that's kind of helping me now. Barry's online is great. And then I have some other cool class that I like. So I would say it's definitely been harder, but you can get in the groove if you put in some effort.
Morgan J. Ingram: Yeah. And I think for everyone listening, there's such a lot of great insights. There's finding someone accountable that you can do it over Zoom with, right? Classes that you just said and making sure it's an environment. I'm the same way. I used to go to a music festival and a concert like every other weekend, and used to have group workouts. So not to have that you're like, " Yeah, I guess I'll just chill in my apartment, right?" And just like, " We'll wait till it gets better, I guess." So yeah, I love that you have those different examples. And I want to drill back into a point and then I want to bring up the thinking smarter part, because I think that was such a great point you made in the beginning. You mentioned that you were like, " All right. I'm not really as healthy as I'd like to be." At 17, you consistent started to work out. So when you made that decision to start consistently working out and you felt like you were overweight at that point, was it because you looked at the mirror said, "I need to change," or is it because there was external factors that made you change and other people were saying things?
Hala Taha: I think it was internal. I think I just didn't feel as attractive as I wanted to be. I would put on my tight jeans and have a muffin top and I just felt like it wasn't me, that I really wasn't on the outside who I was on the inside. And I just wanted to be in alignment with who I really was. And ever since then, it's been so easy to just always be in shape because I just don't let myself get to that point. If I feel like my pants feel tight, I'm like, " Okay, you better hold off on the Doritos, Hala."
Morgan J. Ingram: Shout to Doritos, though. They're dangerous.
Hala Taha: I love Doritos.
Morgan J. Ingram: What's your favorite?
Hala Taha: The Nacho ones, yeah. I like all Doritos. I'm such a good snack. I love snacks.
Morgan J. Ingram: Well, so derailing the point though because now we're talking about working out. Now we're talking about snacks, but what is your favorite snack?
Hala Taha: Like I said, Doritos are fun, Cheetos are fun, cake, chocolate brownies. I like all that. I'm like a junk food. Now, I eat decently healthy, but I'm okay to cheat because I feel like I do work out and I do good things. And then if I feel like having whatever I want, I just eat it.
Morgan J. Ingram: So basically, if you're trying to get Hala's attention, send her Cheetos, Doritos. Now you guys know.
Hala Taha: I kind of sponsor SnackMagic for a reason.
Morgan J. Ingram: I love it. So you said think better. So talk a little bit about this. Most people, when they say that work out, the obvious, make them stronger, it's better for their energy, but you said to think better. So are you working out and reading right? Are you working out and then you have a better idea after? Talking to us about this.
Hala Taha: No, no. There's some science behind this. I don't know the exact science but it really does actually make your brain neurons stronger and talk to each other better when you work out. And I especially feel this way with choreographed classes. So I do kickboxing, cardio kickboxing, and Zumba. That kind of movement, following moves in a class, and all of that, that makes you mentally stronger. You end up being more productive and more smart. I can personally... In high school, when I wasn't working out, I was doing bad in school. Not terrible, but once I started being consistent with working out, it's like also everything else in my life started to elevate, too. So I don't know the exact science behind it, but there is science. And I've heard it multiple times, that working out actually makes you smarter, think faster, better decision making, that kind of stuff.
Morgan J. Ingram: All right. So if you want to get a promotion, if you want to get good grades, you should be working out. That's basically the conclusion.
Hala Taha: If you just want to be a well- rounded person, I don't understand how some people just never work out. I just don't get it.
Morgan J. Ingram: I don't get it either. And the thing is, is that it's all about time blocking and time management and being like, " All right. Cool. 45 minutes, 30 minutes, something." And you mentioned even walking around. Like I recently got a personal trainer about four weeks ago, a new one. And one of the activities on Saturday, literally it's just walked to the park. So I'm walking distance to park form me and that's the exercise. And we sometimes just forget that it's not going in there and working out for two hours and trying to be an Olympian, it's just get your body moving so that you're able to, out of all this advice that you're getting here and the stuff that you obtain and all the things that you're getting, you can actually do the stuff, right? You want to be able to enjoy your life, you got to be doing these small things.
Hala Taha: Yeah. Completely.
Morgan J. Ingram: So let's talk about positive mindset here. Because you mentioned affirmations, you mentioned law of attraction. I want to go into the affirmations piece. You said you get up early, so how early? And are you writing your affirmations as soon as you get up? How does that process work?
Hala Taha: Yeah. So now my affirmations are so ingrained in me that I don't have to proactively do that, but I used to do that, right? So I used to wake up at 6: 00 a. m., now that it's COVID, I'm trying to get more sleep because sleep is also super important. And it's important to get eight hours of sleep. So I try to get my sleep. And sometimes I wake up at 8: 00 a. m. So I don't wake up super, super early, that's relatively late compared to when I used to wake up. But we have an excuse. We have COVID, we don't have to wake up super early to catch your train anymore. So I get my sleep. And the way that I handle positive affirmations is that it's like ingrained in me throughout the day. And I just don't let myself go to that negative thought. And all throughout the day, I'm kind of pumping myself up, I'm telling myself that I can achieve my goals. I know I've written my goals down before. So I'm always thinking about them. There's people that set reminders on their phone and they basically put a note with their affirmations so that in the middle of the day, they'll get a reminder to say their affirmations. There's people who record their affirmations on the phone, which is something that I used to do, and when I would drive to work, I would just play it over and over and over again. Now I've gotten to the point where I believe in myself so much. I believe that I am the next female Tim Ferriss, I believe that I am the next Oprah. And just every action that I take represents that belief that I am going to succeed and there's really nothing that can get in my way. And I just like manifest everything that I want in my life. And it's because I've practiced positivity and positive affirmations for so long that negative thoughts don't really get in my head. And no matter... Even if you're a huge influence in my life, if you spread doubt on me... I had a situation where somebody that I loved really deeply didn't support me in my decision to leave Disney and really gave me a hard time about it and really, really just made me feel miserable for two, three months when I knew I should have left months ago. And this person just kept telling me I was ruining my life and kept telling me that I don't know what I'm doing and that I'm going to regret this and, " How could you leave your stable job? It's so selfish." But in my heart, I knew that I'm going to be successful and I'm not worried about it. I know my destiny, I know what I'm capable of and I'm not worried, right? And so it was really hard for me because it was like somebody that I really loved was not in alignment with who I wanted to be and who I know I am. But at the end of the day, I had to make my own decision because I just know myself, and I know what I'm capable of and already the universe is showing me that I made the right decision. And so I guess the hardest thing about positive affirmations is A, trying to convince yourself that you're worthy of everything that you want, and B, trying to zone out all the negative people around you. Because even your loved ones, they do it out of a place of love, but a lot of the times, they have their own fears, their own insecurities, and they try to project that on you. And so for me, it's like I didn't leave my corporate job and really beat myself to the ground trying to make it all work and still progress my dreams while handling this big job that I had at Disney. And I only stayed there for so long because I had this person basically telling me that I was ruining my life if I made the decision that I knew in my heart I was supposed to make. So I try to just zone that all out because I feel like I'd be even further ahead if I had just trusted my gut and not listen to someone else.
Morgan J. Ingram: Yeah. I mean, I feel that a lot. It's when you know the vision, and you know where you need to go and you feel it. And then other people, like you said, they could come after that. And I felt the same thing. I started making Facebook videos, motivational videos right after college, I told my parents, " Hey, I'm going to go be a public speaker." And they're like, " What? You did not graduate in that. There's no way that's happening." And I was like, " No, I'm going to do this, right?" And that's parents but I knew that it's what needed to happen and it's led me to be where I'm at today and all the different accolades that I've gotten. And it's just so important to do that. And it sounds like you felt like that was a betrayal to some degree because that person probably knew how capable you could be, but maybe for themselves, they're like, " Well, yeah. I want you here at this organization because I do see your talent too." That's what I'm feeling based on that story you were telling there.
Hala Taha: Yeah. I feel like sometimes people... First of all, they're coming from a place of love. But, again, you can't take advice from someone who hasn't been where you want to go. So all my mentors who are huge podcasters who are TEDx speakers, who are the types of people who I want to be when I" grow up". I'm already grown but like five, 10 years from now, they're the types of people I want to be, all told me like, " Hala, you have it in you, you're going to do it. You got to quit your job, you got to quit your job, you got to quit your job. You're losing the opportunity. This is your time. You got to quit your job." And that's what all my mentors would tell me. But then the person who spent every single day with me, maybe they felt like they were going to lose me, maybe they felt like I wouldn't be the same, and they were projecting their own insecurities on me. And it's really difficult. It could be parents, it could be spouses. It's always the person who's closest to you that will do something like that to you. And my advice to everyone out there is that at some point, you need to be willing to just go off on your own, at least temporarily, to do what you need to do for yourself because other people will hold you back like crabs in a bucket. You know what I mean? That's just the reality of life. And so you'll definitely have moments in your life especially if you're going to be an entrepreneur, or take a road that's not fully paved out, not 100% certain. People are going to doubt you, but there's so many successful people out there and it's possible to achieve your dreams. And you can't let anyone put their own negativity or self- doubt on you because not everyone's advice is worth listening to. There's plenty of people even though they love you, it doesn't mean that their advice is worth listening to. And so you need to be able to filter out good advice versus bad advice and know how to make your own decisions.
Morgan J. Ingram: Yeah. I absolutely love this. There's so many just great points in there. And it all comes back to the positive affirmations. Because you believed in yourself because you had been saying these, writing them out, recording, which that's a hidden nugget that I think you all might have missed that. She's playing the recordings as she's commuting to go where she needs to go. So now sub- consciously, she has this belief. And once you have the belief, others will see it and then others will attract that energy, which I feel like something also isn't talked about enough, which is having the right energy but you only get there from the affirmations. And so I want to go back to when you were writing the affirmations. How did you go about that? Was it one affirmation, three affirmations a day? Did you put it on your phone? Was it every single day? It's helpful for a lot of people who want to start doing this.
Hala Taha: Yeah. So basically, when it comes to positive affirmations, you want to write them in the present tense. So you always want to write them in a way that you already have what you want. So the types of things that I would say is like, " I have an unlimited amount of money. Money is attracted to me. I'm the best podcaster in the world. I'm the number one female podcaster in the world. I'm really amazing at being a host." You could just riff. It doesn't need to be written down. It's just like always say what you want, " I have a million dollars in the bank account. Money flows effortlessly into my life. Life is abundant. I'm beautiful. I'm the prettiest girl in the world." This is the kind of stuff that I would tell myself. And it makes you feel... A lot of this stuff is just the energy that you have inside. If I feel ugly and like shit, I look ugly on camera. When I feel beautiful, I look beautiful. You know what I mean? It's weird, but it's true. You just project this energy. So now, like I said, all of these things, I've been doing them since I was so young. It's just ingrained in me. I just know that I'm confident. Another trick that you can use is all my passwords on my computers are always positive things. So for instance, before my podcast was huge, it would be like top podcast. Number one.
Morgan J. Ingram: I love that.
Hala Taha: You know what I mean? Or like there was a time in my life where I needed more patience and so my passwords were always like, patients 100. But you know what? Just doing stuff like that. And every time you type it, you have to be like, " Oh, yeah. I'm a top podcast." You know what I mean? So I always do that, too.
Morgan J. Ingram: I think that's an amazing strategy, because you probably have your password as your dog's name or whatever, right? But switching it up to something that you're striving for or looking to achieve and you're doing on a daily basis, that's key. My tip is, I have it on my phone. So it's on my home screen. I do, I am happy and grateful that... Present tense, and I have it all there. We're on our phones every day. So if you see it all the times you open and close your phone, it just becomes you.
Hala Taha: Yeah. Or you can schedule time on your calendar, 10 minutes in the middle of the day to do your affirmations. Do them straight in the morning. There's also different podcasts that are just affirmations and you can just listen to them and just make that part of your routine. The main point of what we're talking about is that you need to start retraining your brain, right? You need to make it so that sub- consciously you believe those things. So that's why I'm here saying I don't really do this anymore. It's because sub- consciously, I've already trained my brain. So it's like I don't need to do it anymore because I just think positively about myself. I don't have really too much negative self- talk. Even if somebody is negative to me, it literally just bounces off me and I'm like, " Ha ha. You can't break me down." You know what I mean? I just can't be broken down.
Morgan J. Ingram: inaudible.
Hala Taha: Yeah. It's like you have to retrain your brain and so it's going to take some time. But then over time, it'll just be second nature and it would just be part of who you are.
Morgan J. Ingram: Yeah. I mean, I want to go to the meaningful relationship point, but the last thing that I want to say on here is what you mentioned about the negativity. I don't know. We're probably very similar in this vein. Like I will be an out, I'll be with friends and if someone has a negative vibe, I will leave the conversation. I'm like, " I don't have any time for this whatsoever." Everyone inner circle is all positive. Yeah, there's going to be obstacles and struggles and we'll talk through it, but pure negativity, I do not stand for because that is energy I don't want to acquire. I don't know if you're the same, but I literally leave conversations. Like, " Morgan, Why did you go? Is like, " Negative vibes. That's not me."
Hala Taha: No, yeah, same thing. And also, you only get the frequency that you put out, right? So if you have a very positive frequency, it's very rare that someone's going to approach you super negatively. Except there are people who are just so sick and so broken and all they spew is negativity. I can't deal with those kind of people. I just kind of like gracefully make sure that I'm not around them as much as I could. And it could be your family, it could be... There's plenty of people who are negative. I can't take it. Like I have a family member, I'm not going to say who it is. I love them but sometimes I'll have... Like before this Matthew McConaughey interview, 10 minutes before came home and was just so negative and had a bad day and blah, blah. And I was like, " Dude, I'm about to interview Matthew McConaughey. You got to chill out. Positive vibes only. I'm out. Have a good day. Do not ruin my vibe."
Morgan J. Ingram: 100%.
Hala Taha: Yeah.
Morgan J. Ingram: All that is so real. You got to get the negative vibes out there. Especially if you're doing a high quality interview like that, I need all the positive energy I can get.
Hala Taha: Exactly. Do not ruin my aura. I can't even take anybody vacuuming right before I have an interview because I'm like, " It's outside in my environment."
Morgan J. Ingram: Facts. So meaningful relationships, right? So we've talked about family relationships, friends, close people in our lives saying, " Hey, don't do that. I don't know what's safe for you, but you know what is." So Clubhouse is something you mentioned, we'll definitely dive into that. But for you, and I struggle with this, too, is making sure to maintain meaningful relationships because the schedule is so crazy that you just forget. So how do you go about that?
Hala Taha: Yeah. There's a lot of things that you can do. And honestly, if there's one thing I need to work on, it's this. If I could just be honest with everyone, I've been so busy that I think a lot of, especially my childhood friends feel like I've been like neglecting them the last two years. I try my best though. I try my best but a lot of my childhood friends, definitely, I feel like they hang out a lot more without me because I'm just so busy all the time now. And but it is what it is. It's part of growing up. In terms of like what I do to make sure to stay connected with people, first of all, something that you need to realize is that your network is an insurance policy, right? So if something happens in your life and you lose your job, if you have a strong network, that's your insurance policy to get another job. And it is very important to keep your network warm. A lot of people think that they went to a conference, they met Gary Vee or they met some CEO and they're like, " Oh, yeah. I know that CEO." It's like no, if you didn't follow up with that person, you met them one time three years ago, you don't know that person and that person is not going to help you. That is not a contact of yours. That's somebody that you took a picture with three years ago, right?
Morgan J. Ingram: And they don't probably remember it.
Hala Taha: They probably don't even remember you. So it's like you can't expect just acquaintances to help you. You need to proactively be available for those people. So what I recommend is that write down 20 to 30 people who you feel could positively impact your life in the future, whether it's someone who might have connections in an industry that you want to get into, or somebody who owns a company that you think you might want to work for in the future, or somebody who's just like a mentor type of a person and you want to make sure that you come in contact with. Then also write down family friends that you want to stay in contact with. And let's say your list is like 40 or 50 people, that's a good size, right? Then I would strategically make sure that at least twice a year, you reach out to those people and you even put it in your calendar. You can break it up and maybe rotate every month who you reach out to, but if you do that and you have no agenda, and you reach out to those people and you say, " Hey, what's up. It's Hala. Just want to check in and wish you a Merry Christmas and hope your family as well." And then, " Hey, I just want to check in. I know it's COVID, hope are staying safe. Stay blessed." Like super simple, just touch points, right? Some people you might you up. Maybe it's not just communication two times a year, maybe it's physically hanging out with them at least four times a year depending on the level. And I would basically prioritize the people in your life. So at the top is your spouse and maybe the priority is date every week. You know what I mean? It's very frequent. And then the frequency gets less and less as you go down, right? But then you have like 50 contacts who are your network, your warm network that you can ask favors of, right? And so that's super important. The other thing I'll say with your network is that you never want to hoard your network. One of the biggest lessons that I learned in my life, and one of the reasons why I'm so successful now is because I don't hoard my network. I never think, " Oh, Jordan Harbinger is my mentor, I'm going to keep them all to myself. Nobody else can know Jordan Harbinger." And it's like, no, that's not how you grow.
Morgan J. Ingram: Yeah. Makes no sense.
Hala Taha: You want to expand your network and you do that by introducing your contacts to each other. So in addition to writing this list of 50 people and determining what level of interaction you're going to have with each person in a year, and then literally scheduling those things and making it a point to commit to those activities, the other thing that you can do is essentially... Where was I going with this? Oh, is essentially introduce your contacts to each other. So if there is, for example, I have a network of podcasters. And so I have 50 podcasters who are my friends and introduce them all together, now we're in a community, now all my friends know each other and I'm like the glue for this whole group. And it just makes me more powerful and influential because I'm the glue that put everybody together. And it's like, how can you be the glue between some other relationships? It only makes your relationship stronger, and not to mention, they're going to think about you the next time there's an opportunity for you because they'll remember like, " Oh, yeah, Hala gave me this opportunity, why don't I go ahead and give her this opportunity now? So I'm always introducing people to each other. If I think two people have good synergies, I introduced them to each other. And that's a way to expand your network and to really just start to make sure that you have this insurance, which is your network.
Morgan J. Ingram: So I've never heard of it put that way. I mean, the classic quote is, your network is your net worth. Everyone's heard that. But the network is your insurance policy, that is a completely different concept than I hope everyone wrote down the tactics that Hala just did, because I personally need to do a better job of that. I like how you said that 20, at least 50 people doing two things, Merry Christmas, could be Thanksgiving depending on what holidays you celebrate. It could be their birthday. It could be something random. I think that's a really important-
Hala Taha: Oh, even just sharing a news article, right?
Morgan J. Ingram: Yeah. A book.
Hala Taha: Yeah, maybe one. Just so that you're not... Because when you only say stuff during holidays, it could get clouded because that person is getting 100 messages on the holidays. It will mean a lot more if randomly you're like, " Hey, I saw this news article, I thought you may be interested. Hope you're well." That's how you keep connections warm. It's just like random, " I don't have an agenda, here's some value. Have a good day." Or, " I think this person would be a good person for you to get in contact with, do you want me to make an introduction?" Like those types of things all throughout the year. Then if you lose your job and you're like, " Hey, man. I really need a recommendation. Do you think you can introduce me to X, Y, Z?" " Sure, why not? You've been so great to me the last couple of years. I'd love to help you. You're such a great person. No problem."
Morgan J. Ingram: And follow up on that. So within the list of people you have, are you replacing those people and adding people as part of it?
Hala Taha: Yeah. It changes all the time. It really depends. Some people you feel like, " Okay. Well, this person, I'm not really connected with or this person doesn't have the same values as me anymore." And you can always evolve your list. But I would say for the most part, you might be adding to that list as you meet new people and as you keep expanding your network. And then you've got to dedicate more and more time. The last thing I'll say about this is you want to dig the well before you're thirsty. This is something that Jordan Harbinger taught me. When it comes to your network, you want to dig the well before you're thirsty. So before you lose your job, before you get laid off from COVID, before you get sick and have a disability, or whatever it is, have a strong network and prune your network so that they're there to help you. Because it's people who will get you your next job. It's people who will get you your next opportunity. If you just want to be a resume lost in the sea, good luck. It's hard. So that's my advice to everyone here.
Morgan J. Ingram: So you have the personal relationships that you're keeping tabs on, that's the inner circle. You your professional relationships that could be colleagues, you've mentioned mentors. There is a lot of people listening in, they're looking for a mentor, maybe looking for new ones. How do you go about that, asking for someone to be your mentor without being annoying?
Hala Taha: Yeah. I never asked for anyone to be my mentor. All my mentors, I've worked for free for them. So let's give Jordan Harbinger as an example. So if you guys don't know who he is, he was on the Art of Charm. He's like the OG podcaster. Have been doing it since like 2008, or something. He's got the number one show. Somebody I highly look up to and very, very respected in the podcast world and I really wanted to know all of his secrets. And so first thing I did was invite him on my show, right? Step number one. Drop him something and then just like, " Here's some promotion, please come on my show." The second thing I did is I tried to get some of my guests that I thought were a good fit on his show, I had this ex FBI agent, Dr. Jack Schieffer. And I always like, " Let me introduce them because I think he'll be really relevant for Jordan show." And he appreciated that. Secondly, I would be getting featured on blogs and things like that. So I started to feature Jordan, and then I would mention that Jordan's my favorite podcaster, or Jordan is the podcaster I look up to, and I did post about that even. And so I would tag him and he would see that I'm giving him all this free promotion. I put him in a blog and he got in Podcast Magazine recently because I said he was my favorite podcaster, right? So then I would touch base with him and be like, " Hey, I just put you in this blog, I hope like it." And he's like, " Okay, this Hala girl is not going away, right?"
Morgan J. Ingram: He is like, " What is she doing? I got to talk to her."
Hala Taha: Yeah. So then one thing led to another and I started... I don't remember how it happened but I have a big client, right? And so I got him on my clients show. And he ended up working with my clients and one thing led to another and I started writing ads for Jordan for free. I started writing. He was like, " Hala, I suck at writing. I think you're really good at this according to Jason and the other clients that I've heard you work with, could you write my ad copy for me? My guy is sick right now and I don't want to ask him. Do you mind doing this? This is a really short turnaround. I know..." It was like around New Year's. " I'm really sorry I'm doing this to you but could you help me out?" And I was like, " Sure." So I knocked that out of the park. He was like, " Wow, this is so good. Blah, blah, blah." And now we're doing business together. We literally have a little side project that we're working on in terms of selling ads to other big podcasters. And so we teamed up and now I can text him, call him, invite him wherever I want. It's like we're friends and business partners because I proactively and with no agenda just kept letting him know that, " Hey, I respect you. Hey, I respect you. Hey, I respect you. Hey, I respect you." And then he was like, "Okay..."
Morgan J. Ingram: With context, right? It's not to saying, " Hey, I respect you," randomly. It's like, " No, there's reasons behind it."
Hala Taha: Yeah. If you are going to take anybody on as your person under your wing, let me prove to you that I'm the one for you to spend your time on. Because I'm sure he gets so many people who approach him in the same way. But I don't think many people have given him so much free promotion or done work for him. I didn't ask for anything in return. I still haven't really asked for anything in return and just turned into a relationship and he's teaching me things and that's that. And that's how I've gotten all my mentors. Heather Monahan is another one of my mentors. And I started doing social media for her basically, for free. Then it turned into her paying me but, at first, it was me showing her how I do everything and giving her insights that she didn't know and teaching her. So as a mentor, you actually sometimes need to be the teacher at first and need to provide the value at first and then you can ask for the value. So I think interning for free is so undervalued. A lot of kids out there now really don't understand the value of doing some free work because for me and like... I have so many people who get paid under me and also work for free under me and I don't feel guilty one bit about anybody who works for free for me because I know I'm teaching them things that they would have to pay money to learn. And I'm setting them up for the rest of their lives. And personally, I interned so many times in my.... I interned at Hot 97 for free for three years and interned many times after that. It's part of the game. And if you really want to make a good impression and meet those powerful people, you better be willing to put in some free work, at least, for the first year. And then it gets different. But you got to pay your dues.
Morgan J. Ingram: It's understanding that the people that you're reaching out to, that could potentially be the mentor that they have the leverage at the end day, right? So it's like, " All right. They have the leverage, so what can I bring?" Just like you said, social media, maybe it's an insight. One of my mentors, I guided him through Patreon and he had no idea what it was. I was like, " Dude, you need to get on this. This is right for your audience." And now he's killing it. I think those are things that we collectively just might forget about. It's like, " Oh, yeah, I want to meet with this person." Cool. But what can you do that could possibly be for free to get them value so then they're like, " Okay. I want to learn more from this person." And it becomes a mutual conversation and also some mutual benefit.
Hala Taha: Completely.
Morgan J. Ingram: Yeah. And so as we get towards the end of this interview, on the meaningful relationships, we talked about a lot in making sure that your networks is an insurance policy, 40 to 50 people you have on a spreadsheet, mix of people that are personal professional, making sure you're providing value, we talked about mentors, Clubhouse. Hello, what is your take on Clubhouse right now and why is it so impactful for you?
Hala Taha: Oh, my gosh, I'm all in on Clubhouse. I think one of the reasons why I finally bit the bullet to quit my job is because I needed more time for Clubhouse.
Morgan J. Ingram: I know, right? It's addicting. You could be on there for like five hours and you're like-
Hala Taha: I swear. It's like, " Oh, my gosh, this new app, I got to go. I got to go. There's too much opportunity here." So I already have 2, 000 followers on Clubhouse, which isn't a whole ton. There's some people who already have like 50,000 or whatever. But I'm not spending every single waking moment of my life on there. I don't have that luxury. But I think Clubhouse is the future of podcasting. I'm really worried for this phase, because I think a lot of people are spending time on Clubhouse. I'm trying to mitigate that by basically using some of the principles that we talked about today. I'm introducing my network to each other, some of the past guests that came on Yap, and then I'm inviting them to Clubhouse for these like masterclass panel sessions, and then I'm going to record it and put it up on the podcast. So I'm trying to figure out ways to merge the two and make them both work with each other. And I'm also trying to make sure that if this really does disrupt podcasting, that I'm right there in the middle of it and that I wasn't left behind. So doing events two, three times a week, minimum. Doing podcast hours for up and coming podcasters. I'm kind of like a podcast guru in the space. A lot of people look up to me for podcasting. So trying to give back how about other podcasters do office hours, and then like I said, those masterclass sessions that's more broad so that I can throw them up on the podcast. But I love Clubhouse. It's so much fun and I think there's a lot of opportunity there.
Morgan J. Ingram: There's a ton. And the reason it's so important for meaningful relationships is professional and personal. Personally, I've gone in rooms where I'm like, " This is an interesting topic. I don't really know a lot of people in here," but you gain a lot of insight and you just start chopping it up with people and you're like, " Wow. We have some pretty common things that we like, right?" And then also on the other end, professionally, just like in your space and my space for the self- development world, people look at me as the same thing. So I'm able to really connect with my community in a completely different way. It's not just that LinkedIn posts that they see or a video, they can have a live conversation. And I've gotten closer with people that I've been connected with for years and we have two to three Clubhouse conversations. And now we're going on Zooms more, we're texting, and I just think it creates a whole different environment because you're not in the zoom fatigue, it's audio, I can walk, right? Goes back to what we talked about. I can work out and still be in the room providing value in building relationships.
Hala Taha: Yeah. I love it. I love the fact that you can multitask, you hit the nail on the head. It really just unlocks all this random time. I'll be curling my hair getting ready for an interview and I can hop on Clubhouse and have some fun. So it's really cool that it's so laxed. I know Instagram is coming out with video rooms. I'm like, " I'm not interested in that. That's too much work. I don't want to have to always look perfect and be sitting down," like you said. I want to be moving around doing what I got to do, and then if I have value, unmute myself and hop on. So I think audio, it just also reaffirms the fact that audio is so powerful. Like as humans, we love listening. We do. We love to just listen. And I think we love listening more than watching, even. And so it also reaffirms how powerful audio is.
Morgan J. Ingram: Yeah. That's the biggest takeaway is more people are starting getting on the platform, creates that frictionless aspect and, like you said, it's going to be something that is going to change, I think people's perception on building relationships because they won't have to go in person if they don't want to. We can hop on Clubhouse, have a conversation and we're set.
Hala Taha: Yeah. So completely, 100%.
Morgan J. Ingram: So as we wrap up on, there's so many things that we had talked about. And Hala, what is your personal 1UP Formula? We talked about a lot of different other things. It might be sleep here, but what is the one thing that you do from a personal 1UP Formula standpoint that no one else knows about?
Hala Taha: The one thing that I do that no one else knows about?
Morgan J. Ingram: That helps you be successful.
Hala Taha: That helps me be successful. Sheesh, let me think, let me think. The one thing that I do that nobody else knows. Well, here's the thing. I'm an open book. So there's not many things that people don't know about me. I just put it out all on the table. So I don't think there's anything that nobody knows, because on my podcast, especially I'm very transparent. But I think if I could leave the audience with one piece of advice, it would be that... Again, it goes back to what I said before, you have to believe that life is limitless. You have to truly believe that you can reach your full potential. And you have to know what you hope that endpoint will be. It always evolves, but you have to have some inkling of what that endpoint is, write it down, and you have to truly believe that it's possible and that life is limitless. Because if you believe that there's limitations, you will find every excuse in the book not to follow your dreams. You're going to listen to that bad advice. You're going to see all the wrong signs and go down the wrong path, right? And so if you truly believe that life is limitless, if you know what your goals are, and you write them down, and you believe in them, then you will start to see opportunities that you were blind to before. I think a lot of success is about jumping to the opportunities that they flash in and out and you can miss your opportunity, right? And so a lot of successes is knowing those opportunities and taking that risk and really believing that it's possible and not even thinking twice about it. The more that you think and think and think, the less likely you're going to make the right decision because already you're going against your gut because you didn't go with your true feeling on it. And so you need to be super clear on what you want and you need to actually believe that life is limitless. And if you don't believe that, and if you listen to me and you're like, " Oh, this Hala girl, life is limitless. She's in La La Land." You have a lot of internal work to do. That's you, not me. Life is limitless. There's a lot of people achieving their dreams right now and they're not any different than you. They're human. They have the same 24 hours in the day. They're just like you. And so your beliefs are dictating your life. And if you don't believe that life is limitless, and you believe that there are limitations, that's your problem and you need to do internal work to fix that. And so you need to figure out how you can fix that because that's why you're not succeeding.
Morgan J. Ingram: Yeah. I mean, the mic drop right there. I mean, everything we talked about in this episode will help you get to that limitless mindset. And that's why we have the podcast. So Hala, thanks so much for coming on. Anything that you're working on that you want to mention to the audience, and where can they find you?
Hala Taha: Yeah. I think for everyone tuning in, if you like this kind of topic, you should definitely check out Young and Profiting Podcast. In January, we were the number one trending education podcast across all apps. I've interviewed people like Ryan Serhant, Robert Greene, Seth Godin, Mark Manson. Matthew McConaughey is coming out on Monday. So I would love for you guys to check out Young and Profiting Podcast. You can find us everywhere: Apple, YouTube, CastBox, Overcast, wherever you like to listen to your podcasts, I think that's the best place. And then if you want to catch up with me, you can find me on LinkedIn, Hala Taha. I'm also on Clubhouse at Hala Taha, and Instagram at yapwithhala. Thanks so much, Morgan.
Morgan J. Ingram: Awesome. Hala, thanks so much for coming on. And as I always say, guys, let's go out and 1UP and talk to you all soon.